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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the butt plate of the 5B per sidebyside16's request. I've seen this plate on several guns, all C grade or higher. I believe the same plate is on high grade LAC guns.

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sidebyside16
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much for posting the pic. Do you know if this same buttplate was used on the lower grade crossbolt guns?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terry,
I hope to see that in Las Vegas next year. If they bring the Invinvibles back we can take it over for a nice side by side shot. No comparison.
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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

side by side, I have not seen this plate on D or lower, but I sure would not say it was never used.

I have not seen this plate reproduced. If I had one and a gun that needed a plate, I think I'd use it until I learned for sure it was incorrect, then change it out for the more common (available as reproduction, I think from Dutchman Woodworks) checkered plate with the uncheckered areas.
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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:48 am    Post subject: Butt plate as on 5B above Reply with quote

I now have seen an identical butt plate on an 0 Excelsior gun near 1800 serial - so, perhaps it was used on all grades of that era.
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Daryl Hallquist
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:06 pm    Post subject: Crossbolt buttplate Reply with quote

I have seen that buttplate on several grades of Crossbolt guns, including 7D and 8E. Curiously enough, I have seen the same one on Tobin Arms. We have never been able to figure out who made the buttplates for the trade. Several makers use the same grip cap, too.
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lefeverlover
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terry,
I believe Galazan has that buttplate. I have reproductions of it. I believe the original came from one of my guns.
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sidebyside16
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked about the style of buttplate used on lower grade crossbolts in May 2009 and now get some good information over a year later. I think that's fantastic and I really appreciate it.

It does make me a bit envious though, that some of you guys seem to run into crossbolts about as often as you see Remington 1100's. I bought the only one I ever saw in nearly 40 years of prowling gun shows and shops. I know that mine had been in Oregon before it made its' way back to Pennsylvania. Even the sideplates aren't as common around here as I would expect considering the strong hunting and shooting tradition.
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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a link to Triple L's gun, unmarked as to grade, but certainly a 5B or higher (I still think 4AA even though the checkering and carving at the cheek is a bit plain). Plus, it has long family history, and the thread includes a couple of photos of the original owner.

http://lefeverforum.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=124
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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a link to the 9F 20 gauge J. Marks "found".

http://lefeverforum.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=945
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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This link shows a group of photos of the trigger plate mechanism of Rich Brewster's 6C

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cgm-gunstockcheckering/sets/72157631835969018

I am going to add a photo of a different 6C, trigger plate gun as the action photo of Rich's gun is too small for me to see the details. The mechanism photos are great, though. I'll also try to post the serial and grade marking under the grip cap. This seems to be the most common place to find a grade marking on a cross bolt gun.





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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the only known Uncle Dan grade 12 gauge gun. The same collector also has the 16 gauge Uncle Dan. Those two guns are the only known examples of this top of the line cross bolt.

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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adding a photo of the only known Cross Bolt Optimus grade (aka Grade 3) that the factory built. There are two "clones" of this gun, with identical engraving but retaining the factory contours on the rear of the action: one is a 16, the other a 20 gauge.





PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:55 am Post subject: Rear edge of crossbolt frames Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post
Toward the bottom of page two of this thread you find the Optimus. Note that it is a trigger plate action with fore end based ejectors. The following gun has the same action design- but note that they almost surely started with the same vertical rear line on the action with the Optimus receiving two milled scallops, the7D or 8E shown below being left with that vertical line. Only a handful with that feature have shown up in the data base, and only the Optimus with the double scallops. The vast majority of the cross bolt frames terminate with a large single concave curve.


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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another interesting cross bolt came to the Forum: this one is a trigger plate action, the rear line of the action is a straight line rather than having the concave cut. It is probably a 7D or 8E gun,but thus far the owner has not found a marking (which is all too common!). The beaverrtail fore end mentioned is almost surely a later modification.

http://lefeverforum.informe.com/sd-g-barrel-marking-now-with-pics-dt1432.html
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terry, thanks for sharing these pictures, and especially for the link showing the trigger plate mechanism of Rich's 6C. This appears to be identical to the cocking mechanism on my ungraded crossbolt which appears to be a 7D, but is unmarked anywhere as to grade. Mine is about 50 serial numbers earlier than this. Have you ever seen grade markings under the buttplate of a crossbolt? I have not looked there yet.

The Uncle Dan and Optimus pics are breathtaking! Knowing that there's a 12 and a 16 ga. Uncle Dan grade give one the hope that there may be a 20 ga. yet to surface.
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