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Henn28
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catching up on my reading after some extended work travel. Made the mistake of looking at Terry's toy collection...good lord I feel inadequate now. Only thing missing are airplanes.

Joking aside, beautiful gun(s).
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Sentry44
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

terry buffum,

What's interesting about the butt plate on that 5B is how similar it is to plates on Syracuse Arms guns of the period. It's difficult to tell from just that one picture, but it appears to be very similar. Here is a Grade 0...

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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toward the top of Page 2 of this thread, Daryl mentions seeing that same plate on several Tobin guns. Now, who can figure out the source?
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Marks_21
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No help on the source but I have that plate on a Hollenbeck Three Barrel Gun.
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sidebyside16
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently saw this same buttplate on a British shotgun or double rifle, which made me think that Dan Lefever may have sourced them from England. I thought I saved a picture of it, but can't find it right now. I have tried, without success, to find out what companies produced buttplates, grip caps, etc. for the U.S. gun manufacturers. I have never read anything to suggest that any of the gun makers molded their own buttplates in house. We have quite a bit of information telling us who supplied Damascus and fluid steel barrels to the trade, but buttplates are a mystery.
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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Figuring out how to edit a previous post is still beyond my ability!

Near the bottom of Page 3 it says:]

The thread about "ones that got away" contains a C grade advertised as a 20, with a reasonable "Buy it now" price. It sold very quickly, and remains with the buyer even though it is actually a C 16. Bottom of page 1 of this thread.

http://lefeverforum.informe.com/ones-that-got-away-dt1521-15.html

In looking at that today I realized not only did the gun grow from a 20 to a 16, but it dropped in grade from a 6C to a 7D/8E. Note the single dog toward the rear of the action versus the typical 6C engraving further forward on the action enclosed in a picture frame. That engraving layout is possibly not definitive, but seems very nearly so to me!
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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This link will take you to one of the highest serial number guns presently known. Marked C, 16 gauge. Opening the link at the end of the thread might be a good way to start.

http://lefeverforum.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=1619
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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:07 am    Post subject: 2174 Reply with quote

This is one of the remarkable Lefevers from the recent James Julia auction. It is a 12 gauge, probably 4AA quality. If you look carefully, you'll see three dogs on the side of the action. The very limited gold may be an addition, at least Josh thinks it is likely. I have not had a chance to look at it in person, but will in the not too distant future.

The LACA has records ranging from serial number only to fairly complete descriptions of 218 cross bolt guns. This is the highest number known, and the only number above 2100. With about 1200 guns presumed to be made (numbers 1000 to 2200), we should have about 20 guns per one hundred serial number; therefore, I think this gun was made out of sequence and production never filled out all the "missing" numbers, and production was actually about 1100 guns.
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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see that my late night posting is not clear on the serial number!

This gun is #2174; the next highest number known is #2084. With the assumed production (1100 - 1200 guns), we have some data on 218 or about 20%. So, we can assume we should have about 20 examples per 100 serial numbers, and that holds until we get toward the high end. We have only 11 from 1801 to 1900, 8 from 1901 to 2000, 12 from 2001 to 2100, and one above that (2174).

We also have an apparent double use of number at 2030, although I suspect one of them might be a poorly stamped 2080.

We have no information other than a serial number on 1970, but from 1977 and on, except for this 2174, all guns for which we have information are 16 gauge!
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