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ssjim
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:02 pm    Post subject: F grade Reply with quote

Hello everyone. (Fresh meat.)
I recently picked up an F grade gun. It needs a bit of work, mainly on the butt stock.
My questions are these.
1) The barrels appear to be Damascus, but I see no spiral marks that indicate actual twist. I read recently that sometimes manufacturers put a Damascus pattern on fluid steel barrels. Did Lefever ever do this?
The second question , at least for today, is that the serial number, which indicates an 1893 date is followed by a '+' symbol. Any significance to this? Also the chambers appear to be 2 3/4". Could it have been bored out or did they make that length in 1893.
See ,already three questions.
Thanks and looking forward to getting educated on these fine shotguns.
Jim
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DrBob
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might get more replies by posting on the Firearms Thread.
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2-Piper
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An 1893 F (assuming it was made in sequence, Lefevers ween't always) would for sure have damascus bbls. I do not believe Lefever ever produced any of the "Fake" damascus, these were for the most part confined to cheaper guns. The pattern on older guns can at times be hard to distinguish. The original chamber length would be almost imposible to determine. In the 1890's even though 2 5/8" was the most common chambering for 12ga, shells were available in approx 1/8" increments from 2½" to 3¼" & guns could be ordered for all. An 1893 gun should have the sears mounted to the side plates & be a "Two-Hook" cocker, does this fit for your's?
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PeteM
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faux Damascus caused a huge concern in Belgium. A Commission finally issued a report on March 19, 1898 which forbid any barrel being marked as damascus which was not also that the proof house should test barrels for faux damascus and that any barrel intended to be treated with a surface finish should be stamped "Imitation".

All the above does not mean that the production of faux damascus stopped nor that every one followed the new law. In every example of faux damascus that I have handled the actual barrel was very cheap, approaching irresponsible for use.

Lefever would have to have knowingly purchased such a product, which is highly unlikely. Dan Lefever was committed to producing quality. The F grade would reflect that quality.

It is much more likely that the pattern has simply faded. This can happen with much use. It can be restored, if you wish.

I have no idea as the + mark, perhaps others will know.

Pete
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