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2-Piper
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do we have any H grades built on other than the large hook design. Off hand I cannot recall ever seeing one but that of course doesn't mean they do not exist.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:40 am    Post subject: Forend Details Reply with quote

Further smooth escutcheon pictures. Serial 276xx...looks all original to me.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=448410398
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sidebyside16
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is yet another G grade Lefever with the smooth round black forearm escutcheon:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=474184456

Note that the serial number is between 27,000 and 28,000 which is the exact serial number range where others of this type have appeared. This gun has very nice wood for a G Grade, and it is unusual that it has a stock shield inletted into the bottom of the buttstock. The checkering seems original and in very good condition. Unfortunately, the barrels on this gun have been cut to 24", so the $895.00 starting bid is very wishful thinking. Whoever took a hacksaw to this one deserves to be castrated. What a shame!

At some point, I believe we will have to acknowledge that there is actually another forearm escutcheon type that Robert Elliot did not know of when he wrote his excellent books. We're all still learning.


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Lefty/lefever/guy
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:15 am    Post subject: Gunbroker G grade with solid black ebony escutcheon. Reply with quote

Sidexside16,
Come to think of it, this is the first time I've seen an initial shield (gold) in this low a grade (G) Lefever? What Grades were these generally offered, knowing that all things are possible on Lefever's as ordered!

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sidebyside16
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure exactly when and where the stock initial shields are normally found. I cannot recall seeing any other G grades with one, but I would not be too surprised to see one on an I or DS either. I have an early F without it and a later FE with it. But the later FE has more in common with E grades than any other F grade I have seen. It would be very easy for some unscrupulous seller to upgrade it to an EE with a small simple graver cut changing the F on the watertable to an E. It even has an E after the serial number on the barrels.

No, I would not even think about doing this myself. I have always emphasized keeping these guns as original as possible, and I hate to even see the chokes opened up when there are plenty of other open choked guns to buy.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neither do I recall ever seeing a shield on anything lower than an EE grade.
I wonder if this could be an optional purchase for the buyer!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sidebyside16, check out the new listing on Gunbroker #474986762.
Looks to be another of those fore ends.
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sidebyside16
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Shane. I see they don't mention the serial number, but say it is 1898 manufacture, so it is probably in the same serial number range as the others I've seen.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone replaced the fore arm escutcheon with a wood plug on my G 16. Would like to bring it back to normal, but would have to make sure that the replacement would fit.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3birddogs, these plain smooth forearm escutcheons are 7/8" in diameter, and I believe the Dog's Head escutcheons are the same. Some of the dealers who sell reproduction buttplates also sell the Dog's Head. I have never seen an original for sale, and don't know how they were secured to the stock. I do have a spare forearm that has the escutcheon missing, and there is no sign of old glue or anything in the round mortice. The hard part on your gun, I think, would be cleanly removing that glued in wooden plug. A perfectly centered Forstner bit would probably work well. Is that Parker a 20 ga.?

Here's a link to yet another of the Lefevers with the plain smooth escutcheon. This one is on an H grade and is serial no. 28820, which is on the high end of where I've seen this type. See picture # 16.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=475425996
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terry buffum
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Repro dog's head from Vintage Gun Grips measures 0.878"
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3birddogs
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SXS 16, that is my Parker GH 16 O frame damascus. I have since had the damascus redone on both guns. Unfortunately, someone had cut 1 inch from the barrels which are now 27"--but it makes it a great shooter. I agree,that keeping everything as original is best, therefore have not opened up the F/F chokes on the Lefever G 16. The guy who redid the damascus was going to replace the eccutcheon, but after measuring everything, did not think he could do it properly, so I told him to leave as is. It weighs asvelte 6 lbs 4 oz.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was browsing one of the online gun auctions and I saw another one with the simple flat escutcheon. Serial # in the 31K.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/LeFever-Arms-H-Grade-12-Gauge.cfm?gun_id=100543397
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Daryl Hallquist
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an Ithaca N.Y. marked C grade with a round flat horn forend escutcheon.;


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice gun Daryl--got any more pictures?
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