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Mike of the Mountain
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject: Lefever production question Reply with quote

Did Lefever make a 28g gun and if so, approximately how many guns were produced? This was a topic that was brought up in the lodge today so I am asking the experts. THX.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To my best knowledge, a 20 gauge is the smallest bore made. They were made in the following gauges: 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 and 20. If you find a 28 gauge, it was probably a 16 or 20 gauge sleeved.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jack. For some reason I thought Lefever made a few guns in 28g. Appreciate the help.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: 28 ga Reply with quote

Jack is right. They also produced a few rifles, 3 bbl guns , and comb guns.
I have collected numbers for over 20 years and have never seen or heard of one.
The 14 gauge is also very rare with only 2 Syracuse guns found in that grade. There are 9 or 10, 14 gauge conversion guns known.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob,

I didn't realize that small of a number of 14 gauge guns were made. I am probably wrong but my memory brings to mind one of the club members named Allen had one and another member (Lanny Sampson?) had one also. So I thought there were a couple dozen around.
Were the conversions chamber sleeved 12's?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack,
I believe conversion guns are muzzleloaders converted to breech loaders. I owned a pretty neat Barber and Lefever 14ga conversion. It had half octagon barrels and the thumb push opener.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:56 pm    Post subject: 14 ga Reply with quote

Jack and Mark
Yes Allen had a D grade Syracuse 14 ga gun. I have a E grade. There is also a Nichols Lefever 14 ga gun. Those are the 3 built from scratch 14 ga guns that Lefever built that I know of. I have 3 or 4 of the conversion 14 ga guns either Dangerfield or Barber. There were alot a 14 ga muzzle loading guns around in the 1870s so thats why there are so many conversion 14 ga guns.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did see some of the 3 bbl guns at the Las Vegas Arms Show a couple years ago when Dr Bob has them on display. I would certainly not comlain about having to own any of those gorgeous arms!!!
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