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lfvrfn
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:11 am    Post subject: my lefever Reply with quote

Greetings

First let me introduce. My name is Patrick. Not long ago my Father died an left me an old rifle marked as Lefever Arms Co. Makers. It is very old one but in a great condition, all mechanizms are working. It looks like first steps of masters in some model row. I saw on the LACA site and on that forum different photos and can suggest that my rifle used to be the "grandfather" to some of them. Also i heard that here i can look for people who can find out historical and material price of that beautiful thing. I hope much that you could help me.
Thank you.
Best Regards
Patrick Honoroun

PS not long ago i wrote similar letter to LACA main mailbox but my own had some technical problems so i used to set information here on the forum. I am sharing some photos with letter. Here is the link

http://s763.photobucket.com/albums/xx280/setukset/
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sidebyside16
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrick

It appears you have a Lefever Arms Co. thumb push opening gun. I'm curious about your calling it a rifle. Does it have smooth bores or rifled barrels? What is the length of the barrels? They look about 32" to me and their outside diameter and lack of rifle sights suggests this is a shotgun.

Does it have a cocking lever on the left side of the receiver or is it self cocking upon opening? What is the serial no. range and does it have a letter near the serial no. on the receiver flat under the barrels? A little more info will help to narrow down exactly what you have.

The checkering on the forearm was re-cut by someone who had difficulty following a pre-existing line. Is the checkering on the pistol grip also re-cut? I think the wood was also cleaned, sanded and refinished. Otherwise, it looks fairly good for it's age.
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RichardBrewster
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:24 am    Post subject: rifle? Reply with quote

Good question. Pictures of the barrel breach face and muzzle would help us answer your questions. Is there a rifle sight on the gun? Not that many Lefever rifles were made, but there were some during the thumb push opener period of your gun.
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lfvrfn
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greetings.
This is a shotgun 10ga, 30 inch damascus. I think the model is in original condition and has not been altered in some serious way. It had some restoration like polishing wood long ago i think. The serial has four numbers. Also I made more photos you can see them by that link.
http://s763.photobucket.com/albums/xx280/setukset/
Can you suggest the price of such a gun? I want to keep it to myself and make the whole restoration in future.
Have good day.
Patrick
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Bob Noble
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Patrick

I have reviewed the pictures that you posted of your Lefever.

What you have is a Lefever thumb push opener built around 1880.
It is a D grade. They built AA, A, B, C, D, E, and F grades at this time. AA grade being the highest grade.

The only problem I see with your gun is that the buttstock is not Orig to the gun. This would distroy the collector value.

Bob
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sidebyside16
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrick, As with any gun, it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. The thumb push openers, while not as common as later models, are also not in as much demand. So unless in very good original condition, the price or value suffers.

As a reference for comparison with your D grade, a C grade thumb push opener sold on AuctionArms.com about a week ago. It had several issues such as a broken buttstock, slight pitting on the left side of the lockplate and breech area, and a missing metal forarm release escutcheon. On the plus side, it is a scarcer, higher grade, and has more extensive engraving. It sold for around $670.00.

Your gun is one grade lower and also has a few issues. The wood has been cleaned and sanded. The checkering has been poorly re-cut. The top of the comb has that oval initial monogram inletted into the wood and sling swivel studs have been added. On the plus side, 10 gauge guns are rarer, the metal looks fairly good, and the barrels appear uncut. We don't know the condition of the bores on either the C grade or yours. The absense or presence of pitting, dents, bulges, loose ribs, or honing can make or break a sale.

I was sorely tempted to bid higher on that C grade, but really don't need another project. The next one may sell for twice as much... or maybe less. Who knows. At any rate, it sounds as though you won't be selling your old family heirloom anyway.

A proper restoration by a good Lefever gunsmith such as Keith Kearcher or Buck Hamlin won't be very cheap. You are probably looking at a new stock since yours has been sanded and recheckered deeply already. Quality restocking is never cheap. However, a poor restoration will destroy any remaining value. I'd bet most of us here would advise you to do it right or not do it at all. Good Luck.
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2-Piper
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could be wrong, but I was of the opinion the Lefever Arms Co marking would indicate a build date of no earlier than 1884. It has also been my observation that up through most of the '80's the 10ga is about as common, if not more so, as a 12ga.
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