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Summary of F grade engraving

 
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Marks_21
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:22 am    Post subject: Summary of F grade engraving Reply with quote

I moved this over here so as not to hi-jack the F grade discussion I got too long winded on....

We know nothing can be fixed a firm rule but here is my general summary of my observations:

I feel the F grades break down to 5 basic patterns:


1.) border line or no engraving , lowest grade avaiable --- Pre 13,000 ish


2.) Half dog portraits on side plates. ---- Mid teens serial



3.) Single birds and border patterns---- late teens and 20k serials



4.) Single birds with and without grasses and back ground and large center rosette early 30k range to early 40K



5.) Single birds in circle border with other scroll and patterns 40k and up.


Certainly the serial ranges are never firm and fixed and I have seen a few nice examples with only the large rosette and no game birds at all such as this one:


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Bob Noble
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:21 am    Post subject: F grade Reply with quote

Mark there are others two. I don't have time to find pictures of them this morning but there are Fs with:
A big sunburst
A dog on one side and bird on the other.
A dog on both sides.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:59 am    Post subject: F grade engraving Reply with quote

Mark

I have a 53K serial # with birds and rosette like your example 4 and a 14K serial same as your number 2. Love the variations you find in Lefevers.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My FE @ #38,025 fits the #4 description. Rt plate has duck flying over marsh with Lft plate having a quail flying over a bit of grass.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark,
The engraving in your number 5 pic is an upgrade that started in late 1908/early 1909 according to the info that I have collected.

The F grade, in my opinion, is one of unique interest due to the fact that in the early years it was at the bottom of the "grade" list. Then through the years became the grade in which we see engraving other than just line engraving that was still "affordable" if you will by the average person. Thus, making it a wonderful option. I sometimes wonder, when viewing different F grades, if the LAC ever offered additional engraving as an option. I believe all early F's were engraved in-house but think that by the late 30k to early 40k range that some where sent out for engraving.
Wether it be in-house or outsourced, as a lot of engravers had their own shop, I believe the difference we see in birds, dogs, rosettes and even the scroll work is the difference between engravers influence or trained by either "English" style or "German" style for the most part.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mslee,

You couldn't have said it better.

The F grade, being the lowest grade to offer game scenes (in middle and late variations,obviously), seems a terrific bargain. To my eye, guns with even modest game engraving mark the beginnings of what separate 'high grade' guns from intermediate grade guns with only more basic line or line & scroll engraving.

I own, or have owned, 3 G grade's and 1 E grade. But from a value perspective I've always wanted an original mid-period F, as I see them as a perfect balance of what makes a "gentleman's shooter." One that breaks clays in the Spring, goes hunting in the Fall, and gets ogled-over alongside good Scotch in mid-winter. Laughing

Sadly, on the rare occasions I've found one with 'condition' ... they were priced like C grade's. Apparently, I am not alone in my affinity.

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