The Lefever Forum

DrBob · Optimus Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 176

OK, Guys its on.
The First Annual "Uncle Dan Lefever Cup" shootout at Hidden Hollow NE Side by Side June 4-6, 2010. Plans are still being formulated but the owner, Ernest Hausman, has offered to donate an entire booth ( 3 8ft tables) to the LACA as long as we put on a display.

Details as to the site can be found here:
http://www.hiddenhollowsportingclays.com/

It looks like the shootoff would be 5 stand, all guages allowed. Perhaps we could change that in the future to large and small guage ctagories if this works out.

The prize will be a fairly nice trophy. If anybody wants to contribute side prizes let me know.

Suggestions are encouraged regarding:

Do Nitro Ithacas count?
LACA members only, or allow non-members for a fee?
One round or more?

This is also a venue for the Fox guys. I plan to contact them to see if there is interest in a shoot off between Foxes and Lefevers.

More info, as it becomes available, will be posted on the LACA website at:
www.lefevercollectors.com
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lefeverlover · Sideplate Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 47

Dr. Bob,
Thanks for arranging this event. I've shot at Hidden Hollow the past two years and had a great time. Lets hope we get a strong contingent of Lefever enthusiasts shooting their Lefevers next June.
In the past we had a table at the Vintage Cup thanks to Steve Lamboy and Ithaca Classic Doubles. It will be nice to have tables at this event.
I look forward to seeing a bunch of you.
Chris

Lefeverdoubles · Sideplate Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Pa

On the formalities of the shoot, believe it should No Nitros and LAC members

battle · Optimus Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 107

LACA members
i don't own a nitro, but i could get one?
what is it that the Fox guys have at Hidden Hollow?

RichardBrewster · Optimus Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 225 Location: New York

I'm in & look forward to seeing a good turnout of other members there. I agree about no Nitros. I have nothing against Nitros and own a 16 gauge Nitro, but they've got nothing to do with Uncle Dan. I also think it should be an LACA members event. Let's encourage Lefever lovers to join LACA for only $35 a year. Then they can enjoy this event and others, plus get all the benefit out of the LACA newsletter.
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DrBob · Optimus Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 176

Rich,
LACA members is becoming a consesus. If they want to shoot they can join and get the rest of the benefits as well. They can join on site if they want.
The consenus is also no Nitros as you are right Uncle Dan had nothing to do with them except have his name sold out from under him. There is a legend that the shotgun that adorned his memorial at Woodlawn Cemetery in Syracuse was shaken off by Uncle Dan rolling in his grave when this came out. However, I have one and shoot it as well.

The Fox guys have their annual Bo-Whoop shoot there. I don't know all of the details, but it is a long distance event featuring the "Super Foxes". However, it attracts a number of them.

Hey guys pipe in. While he didn't say so, the owner of the event is probably making his generous offer predicated on a decent attendance. Lets here it if you think you are interested.
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RichardBrewster · Optimus Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 225 Location: New York

It is only fitting that there is a Superfox event, since Fox employee, Burt Becker, who is credited with designing and/or producing the famous Superfox choke, learned his gunmaking skills as an apprentice for none other than Uncle Dan!
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sfquill · Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject:

Dr Bob, You can count me in. I had hoped to go this year,but couldn't make it.I'm in Labrador Salmon fishing,and will send more info when I get home. Thanks Steve Quill

kgb · Sideplate Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 42

DB,

You announce the "UDL Cup shootout" and indicate the 5-stand event is a "shootoff". Are they the same thing, or is the 5-stand event an actual "shootout" to determine a winner?

kgb

DrBob · Optimus Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 176

I am not sure of the actual format yet. It partly depends on how many are participating. Most likely it will be a shoot for score on the 5-stand field. If there are enough it may involve an actual shootout among the 5 top scores. Because the Great American Doubles event is on Sunday it would be nice to have the Lefever shooting on Saturday.
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BirdogEd · Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject:

Sideplates,

Perhaps we could entertain "categories"? i.e.; Syracuse guns/ Sideplates; Uncle Dan's guns 1901-06; and lastly; The Ithica Era... since they were a part in "Name only"; but nonetheless LeFever history.

Just my thoughts...

Double Gun Regards
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kgb · Sideplate Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 42

This is all just thinking out loud, a chance to brainstorm some areas of consideration for the event:

BDE, that's how I'd see it as well for a display. All kinds of possibilities, of course, but as far as there being categories do the Parker, Fox or LC guys recognize theirs? There's a dividing line for LC's among collectors, pre-1913 is how I've seen it, but when they hold an event do they differentiate? Is there a Parker "dividing line"? Sorry to say, I've not attended an event with maker-specific displays.

I'm guessing even among SxS fans who shoot/collect other guns, there's not a lot of knowledge about the Lefever lineups. When a Lefever group puts on an event/sub-event, it'll be a bit of an education for newcomers (and for some of us here, me included as well) and how would that best be presented? If we have 3 tables, for instance, would one be loaded with sideplates, one with DML guns and one with Ithaca-designed guns? Sideplate and non sideplate, if the Ithacas are exempt? I could see how a division like that would make for a good educational showing, at least.

When it comes to shooting I say there should be a single Lefever category. I'll take a guess here, and say there will be fewer than 20 Lefever shooters if the Ithaca versions are left out. How many here have never shot their Lefevers or cringe at the thought of putting 50 rounds through one at a single event? At least those can be put on the tables. Among those who do shoot them, how many will be attending in NE Pennsylvania?

People bring their questions about Ithaca Lefevers to this site. This site answers them. I think they should be included, at least in the shooting, but either way the association will be setting the stage for the future in this type of event. All changeable down the road, of course! Very Happy

This year I attended the NSSA World Vintage Skeet event in Missouri, shooting only the 16ga events on Thursday. Many of you know that regular NSSA events are pretty rigidly structured, and with the number of participants, they have to be. You have a "flight time" for each gauge and you're ready to go at that time. The Vintage 16ga events were very free flowing, the club realizing it would be difficult to structure. Lots of non-registered shooters attending that aren't used to the requirements for show-times, and it does no good to aggravate the attendees. I'd think the SxS events are pretty laid back as well, or at least hope so, the club management for the most part should not be too concerned with details of the attending associations. They're there to throw targets, the more the merrier, and do a LOT of work to make things flow smoothly.

In Missouri at signup, I filled out lines for the events I was to shoot (game gun skeet, 16ga skeet, and 16ga trap), paid my fees, got specifically-marked cards to hand to the scorers at the target fields and was turned loose to shoot in whatever order I wanted. Very easy going format! Should be similar for those at a SxS shoot who are going to participate in the Lefever event. I took 4 guns with me (Lefever with tight chokes was a "backup" for the trap event, I shot that with a Model 12) and had a great time. If they'd have decided on a Model 21 only sub-event, that could have happened but so could an Italian gun sub-event, a Husqvarna hammer gun sub-event (Cabela's has been selling them a lot) or a couple of others.

Being in NE Pennsylvania as opposed to central Missouri, the upcoming SxS shoot should bring a larger number of participants, some of whom might have a Nitro Special sitting around that they could easily throw in the trunk to have a chance to shoot one more event. Some of the guys in Missouri had other guns they didn't bring just because there wasn't a suitable event for them.

Random thoughts, anyhow. Please add to them, I'm certain our decision makers could use the input.

Kirk

DrBob · Optimus Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 176

Interesting suggestions.
The possibility of an Ithaca Lefever catagory exists if there is enough interest. I don't know if there are enough DML crossbolts out there to have a separate catagory.

Please do chime in if you are thinking about attending. The possibilities expand as the playing field gets bigger.
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jentb737 · Sideplate Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 1 Location: Virginia

Hello DrBob, I will be there again. The last 3 or 4 years have been great at HHHSC. There are no motels close to HHHSC. Plan on driving 20 to 30 miles one way to a motel for HHHSC. I think that a 5 Stand shooting contest would be great event for the LACA. Make sure that the LACA sets the target presentation for the 5 Stand shooting contest. Do not let Ernie or his sons set the targets, if you do let Ernie and the boys set the targets you had better have a LeFever that will handle the old high brass shells and some tight chokes. Good Shooting To You All, Jent
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